Obama up by 10 points among likely voters

Soooooo...anybody who expresses an opinion contrary to your own is by definition either brainwashed or an idiot.  Welcome to the GOP, party of eternal tolerance.

I have a feeling that most conservatives are so upset and angry with both Bush and McCain that they're not willing to talk to a pollster.  That doesn't mean they won't vote, it just means this election is truly a distasteful choice between two evils and they don't want to talk about it.  I'll vote McCain for lack of OPTIONS, but I damn sure won't be putting his sticker on my car or a sign in my yard.

To ScienceGuy : Dems play the "brainwashed" game too. To the Dems, all Republicans are brainwashed and ignorant. One thing I've learned about politics is that a bipartisan, objective opinion is the LEAST popular position to have because it satisfies no one.

No, I routinely chat with many Republicans who can discuss their philosophy, values and priorities in a lucid, compelling way.  We disagree, but we respect each others point of view.  

But during this election cycle, the most vocal representatives of the GOP seem to have been driven by hatred and bigotry and they apparently would rather watch the global economy collapse than see "that one" end up in the White House.  

I'm sure that is the motivation for some, but on the flip side of the coin, there are blacks voting for Obama because he is black, so as Obama says "its all a wash".  But yeah... I'd rather see the system collapse than slide into socialism, yes.  I don't want to see a nanny-state that makes it its business to take from those who work hard to subsidize those who think they deserve x for free.  This stimulus last May is paramount to the government counterfeiting a bunch of dollars, throwing it up in the air and yelling "Go!" to the economy.  Value is not in the paper, its in our ability to make and do.  Americans are going to have to starting making and doing again, and realize our labor isn't any more valuable than someone in China.  The fun time is over, its time to put our nose to the grindstone.  And it would help if government was smaller and spent a LOT less. The stock market is a system of GAMBLING and shouldn't be propped up in my opinion. I have an even lower opinion of the credit system. Who out there is championing the idea that we should live within our means?

Well, think of all of the money we would save if we got the hell out of Iraq, eh?

Agreed.  Bush should have NEVER taken us into Iraq.  Imperialism, foreign interventionism, nation building... these things are not conservative.  We need to run the neocons out of the GOP and return the party to a conservative standard.  The reason the GOP is suffering is because its leadership has been hijacked and no longer represents true conservatism.  The problem is with individuals that have diverged from the platform, not the platform.  Its too bad too because a lot of uneducated voters think they know something about Republicanism based on GWB screw ups over the last 8 years.

No, some of us learned about the GOP from the Nixon years.  (heh, heh)

JenniferBlackwell - nicely said.

That group in there now has high-jacked not just the conservative party, but the christian religion, the economy, and common decency and fair play, etc..   and yet they call themselves our example of morality.  They pretty much will do anything for a vote.  That's why they're always in power... it's just time to change that.  Get a little freedom back in America.  

ScienceGuy - I can't get over the Reagan years yet.  I was suffocated by THAT deficit number.  I just needed to dream bigger.   gggg

By the way, Jennifer, restoring the credit market is not simply a ploy to help investors on Wall Street.  Most small and medium-sized businesses rely regularly on credit to make ends meet during the lean months of the year.  Without credit, there will be a huge increase in bankruptcies and massive layoffs, far greater than anything we have seen so far.  

You have made it clear that you would have no problem watching the global economy collapse so long as your ultra-capitalistic philosophy was preserved in the U.S.  Fortunately, most Americans are not as cold-hearted and are much more pragmatic.

The bailout plan helps those outside wall street more than those on wall street. No bailout plan and those close to retirement could kiss their retirement plans goodbye and look for a future where they'll be working till 80.  Not just small businesses but all businesses will suffer from acute cash flow problems. millions of jobs will be lost and we will surely be in a full blown depression. I don't understand why people just scream garbage without researching the technical facts of this economic crisis. All leaders of all democracies round the world that were considered economically sound have all come together to propose a bailout plan of their own. Even the Chinese are acting. Surely in terms of a solution common sense would appreciate the importance of trying to promote a bailout plan. As for that individual that wants to secede you really are a Palin. A bitter one at that to.

McCain has never been ahead in Wisconsin except in the primaries

To all those decrying nation-building and the neocons, but intimating that they will vote for McCain....You do know that he was a member of the Council for World Freedom that is a staunch supporter of nation-building and was the leading braintrust for Iran-Contra, right?  You do know that McCain was just as eager, if not more so, to go into Iraq than other members of the current administration, right? 

You do realize that Obama is against nation-building and is in favor of encouraging job growth in America, both by cutting subsidies and tax breaks to corporations that outsource jobs and by creating a "green economy" to wean us off foreign oil and strenghten our infrastructure, right?

You do realize that the reason so many fiscal conservatives are endorsing Obama is because they think his plans are more in accord with their philosophy, right?  The McCain camp is the only group of Republicans telling you how liberal Obama is.  The rest of the Republicans know that, while socially he may be more liberal than they like, his financial and foreign policy plans for America are better for the country and are more conservative and responsible than McCain's.

Here's one....

A Conservative for Obama

My party has slipped its moorings. It’s time for a true pragmatist to lead the country.

Leading Off By Wick Allison, Editor In Chief

THE MORE I LISTEN TO AND READ ABOUT “the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate,” the more I like him. Barack Obama strikes a chord with me like no political figure since Ronald Reagan. To explain why, I need to explain why I am a conservative and what it means to me.

In 1964, at the age of 16, I organized the Dallas County Youth for Goldwater. My senior thesis at the University of Texas was on the conservative intellectual revival in America. Twenty years later, I was invited by William F. Buckley Jr. to join the board of National Review. I later became its publisher.

Conservatism to me is less a political philosophy than a stance, a recognition of the fallibility of man and of man’s institutions. Conservatives respect the past not for its antiquity but because it represents, as G.K. Chesterton said, the democracy of the dead; it gives the benefit of the doubt to customs and laws tried and tested in the crucible of time. Conservatives are skeptical of abstract theories and utopian schemes, doubtful that government is wiser than its citizens, and always ready to test any political program against actual results.

Liberalism always seemed to me to be a system of “oughts.” We ought to do this or that because it’s the right thing to do, regardless of whether it works or not. It is a doctrine based on intentions, not results, on feeling good rather than doing good.

But today it is so-called conservatives who are cemented to political programs when they clearly don’t work. The Bush tax cuts—a solution for which there was no real problem and which he refused to end even when the nation went to war—led to huge deficit spending and a $3 trillion growth in the federal debt. Facing this, John McCain pumps his “conservative” credentials by proposing even bigger tax cuts. Meanwhile, a movement that once fought for limited government has presided over the greatest growth of government in our history. That is not conservatism; it is profligacy using conservatism as a mask.

Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world “safe for democracy.” It is John McCain who says America’s job is to “defeat evil,” a theological expansion of the nation’s mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.

This kind of conservatism, which is not conservative at all, has produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority, and the wreckage of our economy that McCain now threatens to make worse.

Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. Nobody can read Obama’s books (which, it is worth noting, he wrote himself) or listen to him speak without realizing that this is a thoughtful, pragmatic, and prudent man. It gives me comfort just to think that after eight years of George W. Bush we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers.

Most important, Obama will be a realist. I doubt he will taunt Russia, as McCain has, at the very moment when our national interest requires it as an ally. The crucial distinction in my mind is that, unlike John McCain, I am convinced he will not impulsively take us into another war unless American national interests are directly threatened.

“Every great cause,” Eric Hoffer wrote, “begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” As a cause, conservatism may be dead. But as a stance, as a way of making judgments in a complex and difficult world, I believe it is very much alive in the instincts and predispositions of a liberal named Barack Obama.

This is to all college students; Marilee thinks you guys are stupid.  Having gone to college I know first hand that critical thinkers are the product of college for the most part.  College, forces one to exercise their grey matter.  It induces one to use logic and reasoning in making determination.  Far more so than someone who hasn't attended college, no offense. 

By Marilee's derogatory remarks towards college students shows the disdain republicans have for differing and opposing points of view.  Insulting college students  isn't a very intelligent way of endearing a particular voting block to ones point of view.  Way to go Marilee, that's how you alienate young voters.  Very bright.

BTW, I have been checking the polls for the last 2 months or so; and Obama has been leading in Wisconsin for almost all of those 2 months.  It is heavily leaning toward Obama and has consistently done so.  My polling source is primarily RealClearPolitics and as of today Obama's lead is 8.8% points over McCain...

JenniferBlackwell said in closing:

"...Its too bad too because a lot of uneducated voters think they know something about Republicanism based on GWB screw ups over the last 8 years."

Jennifer an epiphany has just occurred.  We finally agree on something.  That last statement you made is the expressed reason why I cannot support McCain's run for the Presidency.  McCain for some unexplained reason decided to stack his campaign staff with a bunch of GW cronies.  Immediately after that move, the tone of this election became decidedly negative and scurrilous and degrading.  McCain made the decision that winning the election was more important than running an honorable campaign.  McCain's campaign is riffed with Bush's inner circle and their philosophical  approach to this election.

Maybe, just maybe, you're beginning to see that a vote for McCain is like a vote for GW.

Obama's lead is shrinking in most of the respected polling sources. yet MSNBC only chooses to address One that is a left wing liberal poll. and ignore al the others like Rass and Gallup which show that once obama had a 11 or 12 point lead is now down to 4 or 5..   I love coming here and seeing the Vitrol coming out of the liberals mouth the same 8 or 9 people spewing the same old lines..  they hear from  Keith or Rachael.

btw..  anyone wanna sign a voter Registration card..  i am sure i could find a cigarette to give you if you do...  Heck i will give you one for every card you sign..  

Steve, much to your chagrin, Obama's lead in the polls has increased since McCain decided to launch a negative tone in his and Pitlan's stump speeches.  Before they went on their tirades, Obama was only up by 4-5% points.  Now, according to RealClearPolitics that lead is now a resounding 7%.  In the all important GW/Battleground poll, Obama is leading with +8% points.  Before the character attacks, Obama had only a 1% lead.  That explains why McCain suddenly wants to run a "respectable" campaign... 

LLMtruth,

Yet another Liberal Lie, Every person comes on this website and has read your Lies knows where you stand and your talking Points..   the truth is that the polls have been going back and forth . and now they are moving in part towards McCain..  he is not yet there. but i believe in the end he will make it..

Steve:

the truth is that the polls have been going back and forth . and now they are moving in part towards McCain.. 

Based on what...

even Faux news hasn't reported this breaking news of McCain regaining ground in the polls.

Oddity,

Ignorance thats your position.... 

So you don't have a source for your baseless assertion, then call me ignorant. Way to represent your side.

www.realclearpolitics.com is a good site that lists ALL of the polls....

FYI.... Here is the "latest" electoral count (with no toss up states)

Obama/Biden 364    McCain/Palin 174  

Is that right Steve? Then why has South Dakota, Virginia, and West Virginia swung over to leaning Democrat?

"Why McCain won't win". ------he won't get enough votes.

Losing points is what happens when McCain put a loud mouth, disrespectful, lying, and uninformed seccesionist woman out front to fight his battles. 

Abusing her power, even though she could fire whomever she wanted to, does not make a leader.  Or do the Republicans care.  Yup, she'd really like more VP responsibilities.  Too bad the law forced the Palins and her aides to take part in the Troopergate probe. 

No One is above the law.

Please vote wisely.

Well, the if the polls are an accurate reflection of how the people are going to vote, which poll are we to believe? Political parties have their polls, news media such as NBC, ABC and everyone's favorite, FOX.

As this article is cleverly avoiding it's sources, I decided to check it out. The 52 Obama to 43 McCain is likely from Gallup Tracking, as shown on one site, realclearpolitics.com. In the same box with this poll, are others that include Reuters/Cspan/Zogby tracking showing a smaller spread, 48 Obama, 44 McCain.

With a 3% correction for error, this could also read 46.6 Obama, 45.3 McCain, only a 1.3 point spread. See how easy it is to manipulate numbers? Many other factors affect polls that are only sometimes addressed.

The most amazing polls on this site show that the (majority Democrat) Congressional Job Approval is lower than that for President Bush! Does this mean that most Democrats disapprove of their own Democrat controlled congress more than they disapprove of Bush? That is what the polls show, so it must be true.

And, what is "Direction of Country"? Morals, economy, sense of humor, plate tectonics, coutry music? Most believe we are on the wrong track, whatever it may be, and it is good to know I guess.

There are many independent pollsters, and like the media, are biased more toward their reader demographics than scientific research.  Everyone wants to read about their candidate winning, hence readership goes up along with advertising revenues. It worked for Jimmy Carter, why not Obama?

Polls may operate something like this story:

Pollster: "Who are you voting for sir?"

Potential Voter: "Uh, I like McCain, but my wife's Uncle has a stepsister who's friend  said she is voting for Obama."

Pollster: "Great! Another vote for Obama then. Thank you sir!"

Potential voter: "Huh? What was the question?

Phone: "beep...beep...If you would like to make a call, please hang up and try your call again....beep"

Depending on the source, either candidate is favored to suit the pollsters. One example, www.electoral-vote.com, appears at first to be a reliable source of information. But as one reads it becomes more suspicious as the advertisements are all pro Obama.

Also, the site portends to poll electorates, or at shows results of those that do. Polling the Electoral College members? Public polls are questionable enough.

The electors that will vote for President and Vice president may or may not have pledged their vote already, but they can and do change their mind at election time. Most important, the electoral vote can elect a candidate that receives less of the popular vote than the opposing candidate.

In the past, depending on which poll is highlighted by the media,  public polls can be fairly accurate or be in error by a significant percentage. There are many historic examples, leaving all polls in question.

My Mom has been a republican all her life. She is 86 years and very, very conservative. She, in her loneliness and boredom, watches FauxNews - ALOT.  For the first time in her entire life she is voting Democrat and is voting for Obama/Biden with pleasure!!! Isn't it amazing???

Is she to be embraced? YES. Is she unique? NO. Her story is a story repeated over and over and over again!!!

XXXOOO!!!!

Libratine, I think that's great your mom is 86, and voting for Obama. She sounds adorable!
My grandmother is 100 years old, and in very fragile health. She's always been a Republican, and this year she will caste her vote.
I sure she will vote for McCain. I wish she would vote for Obama, but it's her right to vote for whoever she likes. That's important she votes whoever she likes. I think she voted for a democrat once, and that was Bill Clinton. My mom, said she isn't too sure who my grandmother is voting for because of her health and her dementia. I guess she understands the issues and will cast her abstentee ballout soon. I'll keep you all posted.
The lesson learned here, respect one another's views without demonizing each other. If Obama is ahead in the polls by 10 points, then he worked very hard to get there.

Oddity  I agree.  They quote the "liberal media" when they write something conservatives do not want to hear.  If the same media was writing positive things about McCain they would be praising the media.   As far as liberal brainwashing professors- newsflash- the 60s are over.   To assume every professor in the whole country is liberal is idiotic.   A good deal of us are independents that are voting democrat this term because we are disgusted with McCain and Bush.   My father is a hardcore republican and he is voting for Obama just because he is fed up with Bush and McCain.  These politicians did not do what it takes to secure votes. It isn't the media, it isn't professors, or anyone else.  People can make up their own mind who to vote for no matter what any media outlet says.  If McCain is falling in the polls it is because he did not deliver. 

0ddity

"My Dad is a Republican and he's voting for Obama. Polls aren't conducted by 'the liberal media' they are conducted by a wide range of partisan and nonpartisan groups, and they are agreeing on one thing, Obama is up, and has been losing McCain for weeks."

A well thought out, researched decision based only on objective facts, history, and political significance and impact (sarcastic, but no offense intended).

Nothing personal, but some folks believe that uninformed voters would do the country a favor and either become a more informed voter or just stay home on election day. The former would be preferred by far. The latter is preferable to voting for reasons based on dubious, questionable opinions.

Please vote, but do so responsibly for the benefit of our great country.

Deuc, I never said what I was basing my vote on. It certainly isn't poll numbers. I was for Richardson in the primaries until he was out, then after watching the other candidates, decided Obama was the best choice. I didn't want another Clinton in office, and I might have voted for McCain 2000, but McCain 2008 doesn't know who he is or what he's for. He flip flops more then a pancake at IHOP, and his judgement is questionable, with a running mate like Sarah Palin.

Unfortunately neither candidate will be willing to re-evaluate our military mandate to run the world.  Obama is critical of our role in Iraq, but not in a game-changing revolutionary way, only as a reaction to its unpopularity and political expediency for his party.  I guarantee you that under an Obama administration we'll STILL be engineering political results in sovereign nations with our CIA, maintaining troops in 130 countries around the globe, sending tons of cash to the 3rd world, and ignoring the illegal immigrant problem, all while following our self-righteous mandate to LEAD the world.  I can BS on all of this.

Obama was critical of our role in Iraq BEFORE we even went in there... which makes it WAY before it became 'unpopular'.

you sound as though you have a crystal ball.

You also sound as though you are unaware of the reasons for propaganda and the role it had during the cold war. I'm not saying it is a good thing but by heck the US has benefited more than any other nation in the history of mankind by promoting itself as the greatest nation of all. It has brought even you great benefits which i don't hear you wanting to give up. GW has only used his remarkable level of ignorance to destroy a lot of that in his two terms in office. The international currency US$ is weakened and has lost it's appeal internationally. The US $ used to be a symbol of strength and freedom believe it or not and it gained that status based on US foreign policy. If you hate America so much GTFO.

JenniferBlackwell said:

"world.  Obama is critical of our role in Iraq, but not in a game-changing revolutionary way, only as a reaction to its unpopularity and political expediency for his party..."

Jennifer, Obama was one of the few Senators that voted against the war in Iraq originally.  He did the exact opposite of political expediency.  He was widely criticized for his stand against invading Iraq.  And as things turned out, he was right in his opposition to that war.  We have all come to learn that the war was based on lies and distortions purposely initiated by Bush/Cheney and their cronies. 

In light of the national fervor at the time, that took a strong measure of courage, with no regard for political gain.  That's the kind of courage that I would want in a President.  Someone who logically reasoned out the situation and drew the proper conclusion.  McCain will not even concede that fact that we should not have been in Iraq in the first place.  If we were never there, there would not have even been a need for a surge...

Looking at all the polls it is amazing how close they are at this time not only in the voting but in the area of how tired the American people are of negativity. He made a serious mstake in going down that slippery slope and he should blame his handlers. Everything they tried had been done before and disproven so if an average American looked at the attacks he said what? Do they think I am stupid. Not only has McCain slipped in this category but his favorable rating is taking a beating also even among Republicans.

America consumes 20 million barrels of oil a day.  There IS no replacement for fossil fuel - at least none that we'll be able to bring online in time to mitigate a massive recession.  Every president, red and blue, in the last 50 years has been promising energy independence.  Anyone who believes the president at this point is naive.  With respect to healthcare, guess what : I just came back from Canada this week.  Socialized medicine sucks.  Canadians pay a TON of taxes and get crap coverage in return.  Anything you subsidize, you get more of.  Rule of thumb.  Socialized medicine and/or the presumption of insurance coverage drives prices UP.  Healthcare is expensive because the industry doesn't compete.  The last thing we'd want to do is allow them to ASSUME the government or insurers would pay x, because that enables them to raise fees until people start screaming again.

Energy independence has not happened because it is not in the petroleum industry's interest for it to happen, particularly if it involves renewable energies that they would not control and that would result in massively reduced profits for them. Someone needs to decide that our nation's priorities and those of the petroleum industry are not necessarily compatible, and a major shift in resources and investments will have to be made. This is NOT a technology problem; it's a willpower problem. We need to politely tell the oil lobbyists to GO TO HELL.

I am not intimately familiar with the health care system of Canada, but I do know that there is more than one system in play in various countries of the world. I would not rely on one person's anecdotal account of a single system to be the basis of national policy. And I would counter that our piecemeal healthcare system, with its profit-obsessed HMOs and total lack of coverage for millions of families, sucks just as badly as anything available in Canada.

Half my family is from Canada.  They are well taken care of. Get in to specialist a HECK of a lot sooner than we can here, and things are actually covered.  My Grandma spent the last 3 years of her life need full time care... all paid for.  My Uncle needed an emergency pace maker... got in and got it... I still see him every fall when they are heading down to Arizona to enjoy our weather.  My other uncle had a stroke, was in a coma for a couple of days, had to spend 3 months in the hospital, also had rehab... he's out now doing well. He needs some help, but he can walk and talk.  It was a bad stroke and they saved his life BIG TIME!  Oops I almost forgot... all of both of those were totally covered. I always listen to the cow over the Socialized medicine and just shake my head.  The only reason they try to talk us out of it is that the... RICH DON'T GET RICHER... and the POOR ACTUALLY GET SOME HELP, and everyone is cared for fairly.  Naw... that won't work here in America.  sheesh 

i've lived in England for years and their NHS works fine, if you have the money you can opt to go private, if you are smart you would have paid for health care insurance that covers your private costs. seems your crystal ball is telling lies

I am not intimately familiar with the health care system of Canada, but I do know that there is more than one system in play in various countries of the world. I would not rely on one person's anecdotal account of a single system to be the basis of national policy. And I would counter that our piecemeal healthcare system, with its profit-obsessed HMOs and total lack of coverage for millions of families, sucks just as badly as anything available in Canada.

Those that can afford it have the option to seek it out of the system. At least they do not have 47 million people not covered which in fact costs tax payers near as much as it would cost with NHCS. I am not advocating NHCS because our political system would ruin it along with the people who would run it. Obamas proposal come closer than the feed the doctors approach of McCain and his pay taxes on it and force employers to stop paying some on it.

Sweden, the UK and Canada all have varying forms of socialized medicine.  They all score higher than the US in life expectancy, cost to government and cost to taxpayer.  They have more doctors and nurses and a lower infant mortality rate.  The percentage of GDP spent on health care is lower than the US, too. 

It sounds horrible!  lol    Let's get it in America!!!!!!

The only reason lobbist and insurance industry spread the lie that "socialized" medicine will lower medical standard is because with universal coverage, people would not have to be force to pay high fees just to get some common medical conditions covered.  If people don't have to pay high fees, where are they going to get the money to pay themselves fat bonuses?

JenniferBlackwell88- when it's all said and done, Barack Obama will stand as the next president of the United States like it or not. John McCain is going to lose this election on November 4th, I just hope that the country will be willing to rally behind Obama as he tries to fix the failed policies of the Bush/Cheney debacle.

ScienceGuy-356641

"The McCain camp claims that their motivation behind attacking Obama has been to question his character, integrity, judgement, and leadership potential."

"...there is no question about who has shown the character, integrity, judgement, and leadership potential necessary to restore our nation's standing in the world, resurrect our economic vitality, fix the broken health care system,..."

These so-called attacks are made because some people just refuse to listen, and judge by the truth and known facts. Blaming Bush, McCain, or anyone else does not justify the following:

Point by point:

1. Character- There have been so many issues raised questioning Obama's character yet no one, Obama nor his supporters have barely attempted to clarify all of these issues and continue to ignore many of them.

2. Integrity- This is one of the very controversial issues that are proven facts that Obama side steps if not outright lies about almost daily. Rev. Wright, ACORN, his Indonesian citizenship, being a smoker, and on and on.

3. Judgment- See 1 and 2 above.

4. Leadership Potential- Would it not be better to have someone running the country with leadership experience rather than just potential? Potential is a maybe, and is a risk at best. The chance of failure is unacceptable for the position of President of the United States. The rest of the world is leery of the US at this time. Sending around someone inexperienced,  unknowledgeable in foreign policy, and flip-flops continuously is unlikely to improve our perception in the rest of the world. The rest of the world see Obama as a celebrity; someone they know nothing about (including the fact that a large part of the world believes he is Muslim), and do not believe he will make a difference, let alone take him seriously.

5.  resurrect our economic vitality- This is a worldwide problem that is being worked as this is  being written. Our "economic vitality" involves far more than Obama's rhetoric. It is the responsibility of Congress and the Federal Reserve, and requires international cooperation. It may be possible he could help, but the solution will be well underway before he takes office. Obama will have little or nothing to do with our "economic vitality".

6. "fix the broken health care system"- Okay. How many presidential candidates can anyone name making this promise before? Many. Just for starters, how about Bill Clinton, who then appointed his wife Hillary to head up a committee to fix our broken health care system. The presidential candidate promised, was elected, Hillary came up with nothing, and we are now worse off than we were then in terms of health care. The solution Obama promises has been made over and over again by others, has proven impossible to achieve, and yet people still believe this outrageous lie.

Now another little fact. So far in this forum, I count more negative smears against McCain by a 7-1 margin than against Obama. A little lopsided considering the polls discussed in the article.

Cindy, John, Todd and Sarah are thinking of voting for Obama :)

Yes, but Reverend Wright is voting for McCain

NW Scot- the air that people breathe in the White House is the farts of Bush/Cheney, which would stale any room to put it mildly. After 8 years, not only are we oxygen deprived, but the stinch has almost killed some.

Please! Vote Obama! This country needs a wakeup call.

Nixon said " I am not a crook" before leaving office, rather than face impeachment.

Obama is saying nothing about the truth or the facts. No experience, no record, dubious background and so on. This is without question a momentous time in the history of our country.

Not only is nearly everyone wrong about believing him the "first black" president (he is half white, half African), but all the suspicions will continue to surface again and again after the election.  When the accusations become irrefutable, those that are the strongest supporters are going to begin backing away from the candidate that they supported.

I have been fortunate to have achieved success under the current administration, and was able to survive past Democratic presidential disasters. I will survive this one no doubt. However, I truly feel sorry for those on the brink that will be unable to survive a Democrat controlled government we are facing. Please pay attention this time.

Without argument, this could be the worst time possible for many, perhaps with the exception of those that will be saved by international cooperation and the hard work of President Bush and his administration which will happen before the coming election. (Watch Obama try to take credit, time permitting)

I, along with many others,  am looking forward to seeing Obama lambasted as harshly, if not more so, than President Bush and Senator McCain are being treated now.

Those that voted for Bush, or claim that they did not, will probably be the first Obama-Basher Club members.

Let's see what happens six months from now. I am very curious to see if this comment is archived- I will check back on April 13th (Friday) 2009 and show this comment again in an appropriate context along with some of the relevant discussions placed here now. Should be fun.

Yes yes - It's time for the big push and each vote counting! Let's schlep it up!

VOTE - I'm concerned about the bradley effect and don't believe Obama is really as far ahead as the polls say.  Please everyone who is unhappy for the last 8 years and has decided trickle down economics don't work for them.  Please vote Democrate. 

It is hard to imagine Obama being very liberal, he has surrounded himself with very moderate staff and his advisors that he is working with are moderate.  When he finds himself in a place he doesn't like or learns something new he adjusts to the middle. 

McCain can't even figure out who he is.  I feel sorry for him, but I sure don't want him running the country.

Just what hillary said in Pa yesterday. We wil take a breath after the election. This one isfor America.

WE NEED BARACK OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. PERIOD

Bill Clinton was one of the most popular and effective presidents EVERY.  He left office with a 65% approval rating even AFTER Monica.  THAT's why anyone in their right mind would want him campaigning for them.  The few people that are worried about Monica don't matter.
Too bad some people are so uptight.

Discussing the long ago Monica/Clinton issue is like beating a dead horse.  It's over, and people have made up their minds many years ago about how they feel.

I'd rather have a male president who didles with a woman and leaves us with a surplus, great economic growth and has an IQ over 100 than a man who made up a war, bankrupted the country, destroyed so many lives. 

The Clinton years were good for me and the rest of the country. I gave less than a damn where he dipped his wick. Personal behavior is a church issue. maybe GW should have got his flu cleaned a little more it may have helped him think.

Wow...that's putting it in perspective. LOL.

During the Clinton administration, we had low unemployment (under 3%) and money in the bank.  We didn't have a deficit.  I could care less about his sex life.  That's between him and his wife. 

But as someone else said, this is a dead horse.  Get over it!  I'd want Clinton supporting me!  Like he did for 8 wonderful years!  Perhaps we can get back some of that glory in the coming years. 

I hate these kind of attacks, but since you brought it up, JMO....
I would rather have an adulter who is a liar (I'm not aware that Clinton is a drug addict) supporting my candidate on the stump than have my candidate for President be a liar and an adulterer who is married to a drug addict that many say became a drug addict because he beat her.
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The Clinton years...

On a Middle Class tax cut:

“...I’ve offered a comprehensive plan...[that] starts with a tax cut for the middle class.”
-Bill Clinton, in his first campaign ad, January 1992

“We will lower the tax burden on the middle class...”
-Bill Clinton, in Putting People First, September 1992

“I will not raise taxes on the middle class.”
-Bill Clinton, October 19, 1992

“From New Hampshire forward, for reasons that absolutely mystified me, the press thought the most important issue in the race was the middle class tax cut. I never did meet any voter who thought that.”
-Bill Clinton, January 14, 1993

So what happened? I'll let a Democratic Senator and a NY Times columnist tell you:

Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) described the 1993 Clinton tax hike as "the largest tax increase in the history of public finance in the United States or anywhere else in the world." (Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Congressional Record, 3/18/93, p. S3126)

"..many people who are not wealthy will be affected by the tax increases, some in ways that have been widely heralded, but others in ways that may come as a surprise. Gasoline taxes are going up; so are taxes on many people's Social Security benefits. Anyone who moves for a new job might lose certain deductions of expenses, whether he is Croesus or Cratchit." (John H. Cushman Jr., "The Budget Struggle," The New York Times, 8/8/93)

Middle-class taxes certainly were not cut, they were raised. He just tried as hard as he could, but he couldn't do it, remember. Note that Mr. Clinton's statement about the tax cut not being very important occurred before inauguration, but after the election. Note also that the late Sen. Moynihan's comments occurred March 18, 1993 - it took less than 2 months after Clinton was sworn-in for the cut to disappear, and be replaced by the huge increase.

I bring this up because when I hear someone say:

"I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class."

I think to myself...if 40% of the people currently don't pay any taxes, does that mean they are going to get more back, or, are they not a factor in the 95% as they couldn't have anything cut if they're not paying, or...is if just a rugue as other's have promised with such wild dreams.

And while my candidate is unfortunately not running (Huckabe), I sit in disbelief that so many are so quick to believe every promise made by everyone (R&D alike) without thinking...how is that possible, what are the long term effects of that, and is when numbers are spouted, how are they determined...

I hate these kind of attacks, but since you brought it up, JMO....
I would rather have an adulter who is a liar (I'm not aware that Clinton is a drug addict) supporting my candidate on the stump than have my candidate for President be a liar and an adulterer who is married to a drug addict that many say became a drug addict because he beat her.
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AMEN AND AMEN Destiny's Child!

Quick word about the Clinton years.. some of the best times of our country's days.. furthermore- who CARES what he does in his personal home life- IF it doesn't effect how he is running the country.. That's between him and his wife. 

forgive my ignorance but please, who beat who into drug use ?

I hate these kind of attacks, but since you brought it up, JMO....
I would rather have an adulter who is a liar (I'm not aware that Clinton is a drug addict) supporting my candidate on the stump than have my candidate for President be a liar and an adulterer who is married to a drug addict that many say became a drug addict because he beat her.
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Hey Destiny's Child,

I hate these kind of stupid comments. You have some great moral standards. And we wonder why our children are the way they are. From almost the first day he became President he was being accused  of screwing around. His personal home life if you recall wasn't personal, IT WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!! HELLO, HUGE SCANDAL!!!!  AND WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT WOMEN!! He was almost impeached if you recall, but for some stupid reason morals aren't a good enough reason to be impeached. And the only reason why there were changes made when he was President, wasn't because of him, Hilary was actually the one taking care of our country. She was the brains in running our country for eight years. I happen to like Obama and believe that he will make a huge change in this country, but Billl Clinton shouldn't be the one doing any talking since Obama happens to have an honest and decent family. When you are the President of the United States your supposed to have some sort of morals, but I guess you and Georgia in Minnesota wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

The point was... Clintons actions- you could TAKE OR LEAVE THEM.. they never affected the way I governed my families morals... which I know a 'little' something about.. Been married to the same man for 14 years... got married at 20.. when other young people are getting their party on.  I happen  to be a pro-life, Believer in God.  I am just saying- they are NOT going to inject moral and uprightness into the government.. when have they ever?  I am saying- if they are going to do shadiness- which they ALL have done somehow- I'd rather in  be in their personal life than in our country's issues. 

Ps.  I know some people would like to smack me for this- but I never liked Hillary.  Still don't..

But I will BARACK the vote come next month.

Here here jab, I said the same thing yesterday, Capitalism and deregulation created this whole fiasco, but whenever the ultra-right are confronted with obvious truths, they want to pull out the socialist card. Their argument is that Obama wants just an upper-class and a lower-class but no middle class. Fact is, Obama wants to empower the middle class and tax the rich and corporations who have been getting all the breaks at the expense of us middle class Americans who actually are the motor of the economy. If it makes me a socialist just because I think every American has the right to affordable health-care, so be it. One thing I will not do is tolerate capitalistic conduct that go us into this mess in the first place. I agree, if McCain gets into the oval office, capitalism will continue.

I don't know about anyone else but socialism is starting to look like a viable option to me at this point. Our current form of capitalism seem's to work very well for those at the top while the middle and the bottom seem to be losing ground quickly. Why does anyone support a system that only reward's a few at the expense of everyone else? There are CEO's making more in one week than some of their underling's working for the same company make in a lifetime of labor. There is something wrong with this picture.

Do your back ground checks this all started with Carter. I agree that Bush hasn't done anything to fix the issue but you can't blame him for whats going on. You have to blame ALL of government.  You people need to open your eyes the government and the people in government look out for the rich and will always look out for the rich. While the middle class who like said is the backbone of this great country suffer.

And why when Bush asked Congress to vote on a bill in Aug. the Dem's went on vacation when they knew something was going to happen with the markets.

Could it be that at the time Obama was leading in the polls. Then you see the Rep's saying we wont take a break till we get a vote on a bill. And then McCain started to lead in the polls. So whats the Dem's do. Come bacl from there vacation in there million dollar homes and say " we need to work together and pass a bill to try to fix this issue"

Suddenly Obama and the Dem's start looking like the ones that are tring to fix the market meltdown. And Obama then starts moving up in the polls. Open your eyes people. It's a game to them. The Dem's dont want 4 more years of Rep rule so they are tring everything they can to get one of there own in.

I'ts not about Rep's and Dem's it's about the USA. Screw Government. No matter who you vote for WE ARE SCREWED.

YES... Do your background checks.......

rather than listen to ill informed bloggers... try reading investigated information by independent authors....  Newsweek has a pretty good article in the current issue..

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1842123,00.html

*hint* while there is some blame to go around as to "who" deregulated... the current economic crisis "ain't pretty" for republicans....

Actually he has done ALLOT....  including 800+ votes and many sponsored bills.  As to whether you like what he has done or not... I guess that is in the eye of the beholder, but as for me, he has worked for the average guy... and I like that.

You can actually go see for yourself and see if you like what he has done or not.....  Go to www.senate.gov and search for Obama

man are you out in left field.

No my eyes are open.. try to take the blinders off and you too will see

Look, Kammando, when Obama does make it to office. He will have a lot of cleaning up to do. Period. Once he's there, he might have to change his promises or put some of those promises on a shelf. It happens with every president, but Obama might not have a choice. Look at what G.W. has done to this country? Explain how are we going to pay for the war in Iraqi? We're so much indebt, we turned the world upside down. GW. on his watch fell asleep at the switch. Unfortunately, the next four years will be very tough.

As far as McCain not hitting hard enough, he has! He and Palin has hit so hard, by calling Obama  "palling around with terrorist." and their supporters have come with pitchforks stating, "Bomb Obama." "Cut off his head." It's terrible. If that isn't pushing the race card hard, I don't know what is. Read the newspapers, watch CNN. Look, at what's going on, do you see all the negative adds McCain was spilling out?

You're eyes are blind, take off your blinders. Let's try to work together, and make this country great.

Obama/Biden up ten points in the polls. We are on a roll.

And when Obama gets in office the Terrorist will attack within 6 months because they know Obama is a Puss and wont do a damn thing about it.

And war is a costly thing. You freaking Baby boomers and people who called for peace in vietnam are asses.. American people are affraid of war. Oh i want  to be free and live in a free world. But yet dont want to sacrifice and go to war to stop those who want to distroy our freedom.. I dont like how things were dont with the Iraq war but we are starting to see a change over there.. yes it took forever.

You say how are we going to pay for the Iraq war.. You need to ask yourself how we are going to pay for the Afgan was Obama wants to start. This war is never ending and wont end.. Terrorist will not stop attacking our people our allies etc... War is in our future live with it.

kammando- We been IN a war for YEARS now... many, many have been sacrificed.. it's the Terrorists dream- they can kick back- take some years off- let the "War on Terror" kill off thousands of OUR people.. and to boot let America go bankrupt in the process.. I'd say we played into their hands like money to a beggar.

Seems we been pretty quick on the trigger these last 8 years.. it's time to see what someone else can do.  McCain is NOT 'different' in these issues. 

As far as pulling the race card- who's done that???  Obama prefers to steer clear of that- but we all can see that America is not ready to say 'race doesn't matter'.. Of course it does... if it didn't no one would be bringing it up every 4th post.

Until we quit having this massive superiority complex about who we are.... well- I believe this quote says it all;

"PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL".

Perfect.....

Go to WAR at 18

Get to VOTE at 30

A great plan for a Kammando!!!

FOUR MORE WARS!!!  errr I mean YEARS!!!!

Hey, knock it off Pat with racist comments. I'm reporting you!

We need to stop these comments. I find it sickening! Pat-504951, when you resort to comments like that, you bring out the ugliness of humans. No more! We discuss the issues and the topics.

Watch out.  Your racism is showing.

Don Imus didn't see his remark as racist either.  Wow..

I bet you have NO idea how hurtful and how cutting the comment really is.  And we wonder why our country is in the deep water now.  What comes around - goes around.  How was this country started?  How was it built?  Who profits now?

That's hurtful- and you'd only type it safely on here- you'd never say it to someone in their face.  Coward.

Sammy get your head out of your ass and take in some oxygen.. Racist comments. Would any of you really know a racist comment? I should report you all for being ignorant.  Ohh my comment was hurtful. You leftist are killing me ..I have no problem saying that to people all day/.

joe-295829

It's got nothing to do with leftist.. and of course you wouldn't understand why it's hurtful.  That's fine.  I am no problem saying to people all day that IT'S WRONG.  Left or right or upside-down it's WRONG.

TYPICAL REPUBLICAN they like to dish it out but as soon as you lay into them they cry like a baby.I got to say though the Dems realy fighting back this time WAY TO GO .I guess they learned a lot from the last two elections.The republican play book has been played out.Finally people are seeing through their lies,I guess FACTS are beginning  to matter.I only hope they have the will to fight when the Repubes tries to steal it.

Thing is your right. And most people have blinders on and cant see it. The Media is for Obama. And the media is run by the government. Funny how I see things on the BBC normally 3-4 days before the American news even shows it.. Thats if they do show it.

Yeah- see you all weren't talking about the media being for Obama about a month or so ago when Palin was plastered all over their reports as the "Apostle from Alaska" (Newsweek's story in September).

That's why we shouldn't vote republican- they always try to cater to the worst in America.. FEAR, GREED, LIES, and Keeping everyone in their place.

It's actually not a republican/democrat issue.. it's a Human issue.

Anti black vote?  Wow.

So Bush is for Obama? I wish you'd think before you opened your mouth. Wasn't it McCain who said the media was his base?

i can analyse your writing pat, you have had a life filled with suffering and unrealized goals, maybe an abusive parent or older sybling, they have told you about how your looks and intelligence won't get you far enough in life.

A combination of relationship problems and work related stress has turned you into someone full of recentment, allowing your thoughts to come out during your blogging sessions makes you feel in power, no one will ever know who you are even as you express your perceptions about people of other races and cultures,  or how you feel about people with different views; perhaps that is the reason behind your evasive user name: "Pat", it does not even specify gender.

The truth is you joke around in your head and think the majority will feel the same about your comedic aspirations, maybe inciting others to join in your bullying rants. Well, you need an intervension, let me tell you, there is help out there "my friend" 

Pat you're just a nasty nasty person.  That is why John McCain will not win, because he has a very nasty base and campaign.

As for the 10-15% anti-black vote...that will off set by the 20-25% increase in blacks actually coming out to vote.  Watch and see...that is if they are not disenfranchised when they arrive at the poll.  You know how you nasty white republicans like to play.